The Story of ” She Lies” with the Shape of an Iceberg due to the Global Warming … Archimedes’ Principle won’t help Rising Seas …
A post For the Earth’s Future & the Struggles of Nature to reject any Man’s Intrusion in the Sea of Ice and in any Other Corner of our Planet …
Monica Bonvicini’s – “She Lies”,a symbol of Power & Magnificence in the North,is a monumental sculpture,in the fjord in front of the new Opera House in Oslo,built out of stainless steel and glass panels that measure approximately 12 x 17 x 16 m. It is a permanent installation,floating on the water in the fjord on a concrete platform which is 12 metres above the water surface.By turning around its own axis in correspondence to the tides and the wind it offers changing views through the reflections on the mirrored and semitransparent surfaces.
“She Lies” was commissioned by Public Art Norway – KORO,
Norwegian National Opera & Ballet and it represents in a visual striking way the shape of an iceberg,as if one would have, by circumstances due to the Global Warming,ended up in the fjord in front of the Opera House.She Lies is meant to be a monument about change,longing and hope.
*Bonvicini’s sculpture is a three dimensional interpretation of Caspar David Friedrich’s painting “Das Eismeer” 1823-24 (The Sea of Ice ) *
Helena was equally beautiful,she was about to set off her journey,to give joy to the travellers and tourists.
Further down on the shore of the fjord the harmony of the sceneries reminded me that Nature is a Temple.
Here high in air,unconscious of the storm,Nature rears its mystic form.
From Earth to Heaven,unwrought by mortal toil,charm after charm,sun-bright avenues,and green recesses transmuted by her wand.
In earth,sea,air,around,below,above,life’s subtle in Nature’s loom,solar beams wave back and forth,up and down over woods,green lawns,and sparkling streams;beauty’s fine forms attract the eyes,I wonder who changes your acts,dear Mother Nature …
Charm the listening Savage into Man …
And in Museums and Galleries,great artists’paintigs forebode the future,prophesies are intricately painted on their works … ;
“Time shall be no More … “
Arne Ekeland’s painting,”The Last Shots”,in the National Museum-National Gallery of Oslo,is monumental in both size and content.
Highly complex shapes and figures symbolizing the capitalist society that Ekeland wanted to topple.In the background lies a city in ruins, but in the foreground,among the destruction and the fallen,little children are on the verge of creating a new society …
Shore birds happily follow “She Lies” every day as she floats on the water in correspondence to the tides and the wind …
When the sky is overcast,”She Lies” puts on her silvery-grey apparel,she is still elegant.
Posted for the Earth’s Future & the Struggles of Nature to reject any Man’s Intrusion in the Sea of Ice and in any Other Corner of our Planet …
Dear Doda, this is such a beautifully meaningful post, it brought tears to my eyes. I know I’m a sentimental old fool, but the many problems facing the Earth today make me despair. You have used your wonderful photos and the pieces of artwork to highlight the issue that the Earth’s future lies ‘in the balance’. The stunning Iceberg sculpture says so much, as does Arne Ekeland’s complex painting. A very thought-provoking post for all of us, Doda. It’s time we all took our responsibilities to Mother Earth much more seriously. Thank you so much for sharing. ❤
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By: milliethom on 27/11/2017
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Can’t thank you enough for your insightful and poignant comment on “She Lies”,dear Millie.She is quietly floating and conveying her strong message.I am sentimental too like you,I do worry about climate change and the consequences we all experience,more or less.Let’s hope that sooner or later the real governors of our world will do something before it’s too late … ❤ xxx
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By: DG MARYOGA on 28/11/2017
at 17:31
A true environmental artwork relevant to our modern times. Sad that many important people don’t believe global warming is a problem.
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By: Lignum Draco on 12/11/2017
at 08:31
What a nice surprise to see you back again,dear Draco!Can’t thank you enough for appreciating “She Lies” sculpture and the artist’s concept!It’s sad indeed,we see powerful people to pretend that all is fine.
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By: DG MARYOGA on 13/11/2017
at 00:16
That looks great 🙂
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By: joshi daniel on 07/11/2017
at 09:09
Many thanks Joshi 🙂
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By: DG MARYOGA on 07/11/2017
at 12:07
Nice environmental sculpture!
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By: Maria on 06/11/2017
at 01:16
Many thanks for appreciating “She Lies”!Best to you,dear Maria 🙂
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By: DG MARYOGA on 06/11/2017
at 11:36
Very nice Art work, it combines beauty, and awareness to our environment. 🙂
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By: theburningheart on 04/11/2017
at 20:08
Truly,my friend!It’s the impact on the beholders that really matters.Great the stance of many contemporary artists to our socio-enviromental issues.Btw,many thank YOUs for all the enlightening and glorious posts you share with us 🙂
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By: DG MARYOGA on 05/11/2017
at 10:25
Nice post
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By: Inspiredme on 04/11/2017
at 10:34
Glad you appreciated it,thanks kindly for stopping by 🙂
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By: DG MARYOGA on 05/11/2017
at 10:14
Welcome
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By: Inspiredme on 22/11/2017
at 10:46
🙂 xxx
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By: DG MARYOGA on 26/11/2017
at 14:35
wonderful, awesome, stunning post and pix… I love Norway, in general and Oslo in particular… otherwise, NATURE is the place where I was born, and in another life, I’d like to live in Norway or in Iceland! 😉
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By: Mél@nie on 02/11/2017
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OM,Melanie,how much I enjoyed your Norway enthusiasm!!You added an extra dimension to “She Lies”,and to this beautiful country!We are all part of nature,we should never forget the place we were born in.Well,at one with nature and Norway!Thank you for your visit and your cheerful comment 🙂
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By: DG MARYOGA on 02/11/2017
at 20:56
kalimera! 🙂 you’re very welcome… btw, if you ever have some spare minutes, just enter Norway @ my blog and you’ll find several posts dedicated to this country and some Norwegian poetry… cheers and sunny thoughts from Toulouse, France! 🙂
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By: Mél@nie on 03/11/2017
at 08:59
Oh,your Greek is better than mine!I’ll Melanie,I’ve also some more Norway posts but on another platform,I might share them on WP too.Cheers to you too!Send you my kindest thoughts 🙂 xxx
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By: DG MARYOGA on 03/11/2017
at 14:50
She Lies is a beautiful sculpture. If only art could save our world! What a profound statement that would be. Unfortunately I despair that our planet is in the last throes of agony. We humans can create such beauty and at the same time we are a destructive force.
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By: RMW on 02/11/2017
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I wish it could save or change our world,Roslyn,but obviously there are other more forceful powers and factors that control and manipulate the future of our planet.At least,”She Lies” gave us the chance to interact with each other.There is so much more to art than what we see displayed.Anyhow,I do value your interpretation and your realistic perspective;”She Lies” riminded us how vulnerable we are,and how obscure is the future of our planet.
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By: DG MARYOGA on 02/11/2017
at 19:53
That sculpture is so meaningful, Doda! Thank you for telling us about it ❤ I do hope that people are taking the note that Global Warming is a huge issue and not avoiding it any longer – let's take action!
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By: Christy B on 01/11/2017
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Art speaks volumes with the hope that the beholders are good listeners … I join you and do my best to help our common home,dear Christy.So many thanks for your kind visit and for being such a responsive WP friend with obvious sensitiviities 🙂 xxx
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By: DG MARYOGA on 01/11/2017
at 17:42
what an amazing sculpture Doda! Beautiful images and an important message to humanity!! Thank you for your meaningful posts always natures’ warrior!
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By: the dune mouse (CybeleMoon) on 31/10/2017
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Well,we have some certain sensitivities lol.Haven’t we?Thank you dear Cybele,glad you stopped by and reading,”She Lies” is peacefully floating and sending Her own message along with her influential creator 🙂 xxx
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By: DG MARYOGA on 31/10/2017
at 19:45
hugs and love to you Doda!
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By: the dune mouse (CybeleMoon) on 05/11/2017
at 04:55
Hugs & Love back to you right away,dear Cybele 🙂 ❤ xxx
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By: DG MARYOGA on 05/11/2017
at 09:54
That is a meaningful sculpture and reminder to treat Earth with more respect. One has to ask: why such warning go unnoticed? Why we do not pay the dues attention to climate change? Well, the greed doesn’t want allow that to happen.
This Iceberg sculpture is definitely going to make people think. Within 40 years the climate might be already out of control. We have to act now. We really do.
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By: Inese Poga artist, writer and life sciences specialist on 31/10/2017
at 16:00
Thank you so much for reading and appreciating “She Lies” and the artist’s concept.Your pithy commentary and your apt conceptualisation added an extra value to the massive sculpture.All the best to you 🙂
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By: DG MARYOGA on 31/10/2017
at 16:47
She lies is absolutely amazing – and the other art here was so interesting…
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By: prior.. on 29/10/2017
at 12:25
Thank you for reading and for your kindness,dear Yvette,and congrats to you on your hyper-active blog,I wish I had the time to go extensively through every single post,at least,my likes show that I never forget you 🙂
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By: DG MARYOGA on 29/10/2017
at 19:36
Oh u are so kind and likes mean so much – also – hyper active is such a good phrase as I am in a blog mode right now – hah! So never u worry about making it to every one – 💙💙💙and ttys
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By: prior.. on 30/10/2017
at 02:30
Can’t thank you enough for your kindness and your understanding dear Yvette!Commenting or not doesn’t mean I don’t appreciate and admire your wonderful posts.Keep happily blogging as you do,my friend 🙂 CU at your place again ❤ xxx
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By: DG MARYOGA on 30/10/2017
at 11:06
Well I did later chew on what it meant to “hyper active blog” and it was a good path to go down – actually still thinking about it I’m a way – because I think I just realized how different of a blogger I am now after 5 months off – and also in a different season of life- with different short term interests (like the fiction and interview posts) hm – anyhow – also was realizing that readership will change naturally with the blogger’s pace and content evolution – ya know ?
Lastly – it reminded me that many many readers will not comment and will not even read full posts or even visit all true time – that is kind how it goes- ya know ?
Have u had any blog insights lately ?
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By: prior.. on 01/11/2017
at 04:16
Ha,ha,what a word I found to describe your brilliant and lively blog,Yvette.Off for 5 months?To me sounds quite reasonable since I was off for more than a whole year.I’m a completely amateur blogger and I keep it just for fun and post sporadically as I cannot afford heavy traffic lol … It’s very time consuming.I keep a Twitter account and I find it very practical as just in a few minutes you can tweet and R/tweet without spending hours.Btw,do you keep a Twitter account?If yes,I’d love to follow you.As for the Likes,yes,it’s a cult now,people leave them without even reading what you have posted.Or,they just leave a single word comment.It’s sad though because there isn’t any real communication and also shows the feverish pace of our lives,today.I’ll disappoint you,I have not any blog insights,but I can see plenty of remarkable bloggers around,who are very inspiring and influential and post almost every day.
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By: DG MARYOGA on 01/11/2017
at 18:21
well you had blog layered in your reply – a few things! and one big one I noticed was how Twitter fits you more. I have noticed that there are people who do twitter better than blogging and better than fb – and then I many facebookers cannot find a groove blogging. I am not sure how other media outlets tie in, but I have really noticed that with these three – people get into a mode of the Twitter groove (which might sadly change if they go past the 140 character limit – it is NOT a good idea IMHO) and then some get in other grooves – and so DODA – I see that you are comfy in the Twitter mode (like my souse) –
anyhow, sadly Twitter does not work for me and I am only peeking in there a few times a year – I like it for following the profit, but cannot find a groove there (or on fb).
oh and lastly, I think we differ on the single word comment – I think they have value. Many folks cannot easily move from reading and enjoying to then get into critically reflecting and sometimes they want to leave some type of comment – and I also don’t mind if folks skim and just note that – however, I don’t like folks who are trying to mass accumulate followers or who have other stuff going on, but we might miss some joy if we hold things too rigid – ya know? and you have inspired me to start a blog post about this topic….
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By: prior.. on 01/11/2017
at 19:19
Oh!Have I?Thank you for your direct response,I did enjoy the constructive interaction we had under “She Lies”.Isn’t it wonderful?Blogging is Art too,can’t wait to read your new posts 🙂
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By: DG MARYOGA on 01/11/2017
at 19:36
and as always – you can drop by when time allows – and just keep doing what you do as you bring splashes of your positive energy to people across social media. (And you know I am always grateful fro your support back in Feb 2015… xxooo)
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By: prior.. on 01/11/2017
at 19:51
I’ll,Yvette and do my absolute best to read your recent posts.I’m stunned by your sharp memory,can’t believe you went back to 2015.I’m grateful too for keeping in touch with me and for your insightful comments,and last but not least for your encouraging words 🙂 xxx
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By: DG MARYOGA on 02/11/2017
at 18:59
Beautiful photographs, dear Doda. And an amazing sculpture. I love the way it floats and moves and reflects. It looks like you had a fantastic trip! 😀 ❤
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By: Linda Arthur Tejera on 29/10/2017
at 00:53
So much to see in the beautiful city of Oslo,dear Linda.Glad to see you appreciated the massive floating sculpture with the glass reflections.Love & hugs to you 🙂 ❤ xxx
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By: DG MARYOGA on 29/10/2017
at 19:51
An amazing post Doda. and wonderful pictures.. I had not heard of this monument before, and yes, while it may well serve as a reminder for rising oceans, it will not heal our earth. or cure us of our pollutant ways in which we seldom give a thought for our Earth Mother. Until that is those oceans rises, and warms to such a degree, those storms will intensify even more..
But maybe Doda that is what it is going to take.. Not a monument to shake us into our survival zones, as we wake up to ourselves, But Mother Nature may well be shaking us good and proper to get our attention to what we are doing upon our planets surface..
I really enjoyed your narrative Doda and was thrilled with the pictures and sculpture images also
As I send you my blessings for a peaceful weekend..
LOVE and Hugs my friend xx ❤ Sue 💚🌈😍
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By: Sue Dreamwalker on 28/10/2017
at 17:27
We should add your thoughtful commentary to my post,dear Sue!Not long ago,nature showed us Her maniac face with all the catastrophic hurricanes,wild fires in U.A. & Europe,that last for weeks.Nature’s evolvement is unavoidable.In Aristotle’s treatise on Meteorology ,we read about such phenomena and he explains that since there will be no end to time and the world is eternal,we will see them happen.
However,what annoys me most is our personal responsibility for Mother Nature and our detrimental actions and mannerisms.I read such articles and my heart bleeds.Scientists support that the anthropogenic impact on the climate system,is obvious,which means that all these natural phenomena wouldn’t be so forceful and intense,if we were kinder to Her.Just have a look at the following link :
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/06/adelie-penguins-antarctica-climate-change-population-decline-refugia/
Thankful for your “long visit”,dear friend.Send you love and sunshine for your week ahead 🙂 ❤ xxx
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By: DG MARYOGA on 30/10/2017
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Thank you Doda, I will go look at your link my friend, and Sigh,, We have to alter our ways of BEing.. Our consumer habits, our ways of polluting and our disregard for nature and for each other..
I watched Planet Earth 11 last evening and the plight of our Poles is dire.. with Walrus’s not finding anywhere to rest, and looking at the words on your link I see penguins, So perhaps I already know what is coming as I read the other day how many penguins had perished.. It is awful and when the oceans warms, we get more storms as well..
Its going to only escalate.. And we are in Crisis!!.. Yet governments do nothing.. xx
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By: Sue Dreamwalker on 30/10/2017
at 20:18
“Its going to only escalate … “,you said.It sounds alarming,but it’s true and there’s little we can do to change the course of the wrong doings.Let each one of us do the right thing and act responsibly .. 🙂 xxx
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By: DG MARYOGA on 31/10/2017
at 14:05
that is all we can do Doda.. xx ❤
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By: Sue Dreamwalker on 31/10/2017
at 14:26
Yes it is so sad about the Penguins.. xxx just went over to you link..
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By: Sue Dreamwalker on 30/10/2017
at 20:19
Yes,unbearably sad for the Penguins and for all the other species who are irreparably affected … xxx
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By: DG MARYOGA on 31/10/2017
at 14:10
Indeed.. Sigh again.. xxx
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By: Sue Dreamwalker on 31/10/2017
at 14:27
I sigh like you … xxx
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By: DG MARYOGA on 31/10/2017
at 14:35
Looks like it was a wonderful trip, dear Doda, and this resultant post a pure delight to peruse on a windy Saturday afternoon here in the West of England. In fact, you inspired me to explore further the work of Bonvicini, who I had not heard of, and I chanced across this for anyone who may be interested:
http://www.artspace.com/magazine/art_101/book_report/phaidon-contemporary-artists-series-monica-bonvicini-54518
With all best wishes, always,
Hariod. ❤
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By: Hariod Brawn on 28/10/2017
at 17:23
Glad to hear “She Lies” inspired you and you wanted to find more about this notable and gifted artist,dear Hariod.I knew nothing about her too until I saw her fascinating floating sculpture and admired her innovative approach to the climate change.So many well known or unknown artists tackle the social and environmental issues of today.They keep inspiring and sensitising us to many everyday situations that afflict our lives.I personally consider galleries and public art big schools … The link you provided is part of my post now,my friend.Hope all the visitors here appreciate it as much as I did.Can’t thank you enough for your comment and the Light you shed on “She Lies”.Hope your writing is going well and that you’ll soon enlighten us again.Sending you sunshine for your windy days ❤ xxx
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By: DG MARYOGA on 30/10/2017
at 12:28
Beautiful photos and interesting post, an original and elegant manner to present this topic. Indeed, Nature is a Temple, her gifts are wonderful which must be wisely appreciated. Thank you for this article, dear friend and wish you all the best !
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By: Georgeta R. M. on 25/10/2017
at 22:42
So many thanks for your incisive comment,dear friend!Much appreciated,I am happy you responded to such an issue presented through Art.Our planet is not just a place to visit,it’s our Home.All the very best to you too 🙂
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By: DG MARYOGA on 27/10/2017
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My comment did not want to be incisive, only just to be appreciative and punctual on this topic so important for us, for our descendants, for our planet and which was so beautifully presented. Wishing you all the best and a lovely weekend, dear friend!
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By: Georgeta R. M. on 27/10/2017
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Incisive in the sense of keen,enthusiastic … That’s what I wanted to express.
Anyhow,your nice thoughts and your viewpoint are received with great pleasure,my dear friend.Best wishes for a splendid weekend!
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By: DG MARYOGA on 28/10/2017
at 16:46
“She lies” looks really beautiful in your photos, dear Doda and I love that birds picture too. Beautiful post. I love your saying “nature is a temple”. It’s so true. A hug for you. Have a nice evening, my friend. 🙂 > ❤
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By: Aditi on 25/10/2017
at 22:20
Thank you dear Aditi!Yes,a Temple,which you deeply respect If I judge from your nature images,Sending fondest hugs to you & best wishes for your weekend 🙂 ❤ xxx
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By: DG MARYOGA on 27/10/2017
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You must know how deeply your post touched me, I was drawn into it from the beginning: “A post For the Earth’s Future & the Struggles of Nature to reject any Man’s Intrusion in the Sea of Ice and in any Other Corner of our Planet …” Thanks for advocating for Mother Nature, she needs all the help that she can get as “we” do.
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By: lensandpensbysally on 25/10/2017
at 16:12
Thank you for your approving comment,dear Sally,you’re a strong environmentalist.I know your sensitivities and how closely you are attached to nature 🙂
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By: DG MARYOGA on 25/10/2017
at 18:04
That is stunning and such a vital reminder of what we are doing to this precious planet xxxxxxxxx
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By: shehannemoore on 25/10/2017
at 10:56
There are many simple things you can do to help Mother Nature and our Common Home.Earth Day should be every day,my darling Shey.So many thanks for appreciating “She Lies”.She silently protests for the wrongdoings 🙂 ❤ xxxxxxxxx
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By: DG MARYOGA on 25/10/2017
at 12:24
That is what I liked about her best. She is majestic. We do our absolute best for nature here my darling. You can bet on it. After all the planet is not ours as such xxxxxxxx
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By: shehannemoore on 25/10/2017
at 21:57
There’s no doubt,darling Shey,”We did not inherit the earth from our ancestors; we borrow it for our children”; your little angel deserves a better world ~ fondest hugs to you & him ❤ xxxxx
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By: DG MARYOGA on 27/10/2017
at 10:33
We do but lease it indeed and our children do deserve to be left it in the best possible condition. Biggest hugs to you xxxx
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By: shehannemoore on 27/10/2017
at 16:03
Let’s hope for the better 🙂 ❤ xxxxxxxxx
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By: DG MARYOGA on 28/10/2017
at 16:52
Every single day xxxxxxx
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By: shehannemoore on 28/10/2017
at 20:34
Yes,non-stop ❤ xxxxxxx
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By: DG MARYOGA on 29/10/2017
at 09:47
Between us we will do our bit xxxxxxxxxxxx
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By: shehannemoore on 29/10/2017
at 11:48
It’s a team work,I join your efforts,I love the exactness of the language you use,my talented writer,my lovely Scottish friend 🙂 ❤
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By: DG MARYOGA on 29/10/2017
at 12:27
Aw…. that is so very kind of you. Love you my darling Doda xxxxxxxx
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By: shehannemoore on 29/10/2017
at 19:19
Me two 🙂 ❤ xxxxx
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By: DG MARYOGA on 29/10/2017
at 20:19
Very interesting post. Thank You.
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By: Sartenada on 25/10/2017
at 10:04
Thank you dear Matti!Have a nice day in your beautiful country 🙂
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By: DG MARYOGA on 25/10/2017
at 11:42
Reblogged this on Truth Troubles.
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By: oldpoet56 on 25/10/2017
at 06:39
Very interesting article so I am going to reblog this article for you.
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By: oldpoet56 on 25/10/2017
at 06:38
Thank you so much,my friend!Our planet is dramatically battered.
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By: DG MARYOGA on 25/10/2017
at 11:44
What a beauty she is! A great reminder of the changes happening on our blue planet. Thank you for bringing the art and fjords from Oslo to us ❤
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By: Tiny on 24/10/2017
at 19:36
Thank you dear Tiny,some regions of our beautiful planet have already seen the maniac expression of nature, the dragic effects of Climate Change.Even here in Greece that the weather is balanced,we have not seen the face of autumn yet … ❤ xxx
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By: DG MARYOGA on 24/10/2017
at 20:08
I know, we can all feel the changing climate. We have had full summer weather here in Florida up to now, but tomorrow we are hoping to get the first breath of fall. XOXO
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By: Tiny on 24/10/2017
at 20:38
It was good for Florida to have nice,warm weather after the attack of Hurricane Harvey 🙂 xxx
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By: DG MARYOGA on 24/10/2017
at 22:37
Doda, sorry I had a typo in your name.
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By: neihtn2012 on 24/10/2017
at 17:33
No worries,no wonder,dear Hien!I know,it’s a cacophonous name as linguistically speaking we have to do with the transliteration of the letter “D” repeated,if you see what I mean … it’s a made up short name,there is a long story behind it … Anyway,thank you for your kindness.
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By: DG MARYOGA on 24/10/2017
at 17:43
This sculpture is truly beautiful as it tells the change,longing and hope… I, too, wonde who changes your acts,dear Mother Nature … Moving words and beautiful photos, Doida. ( I found I had spell Doda incorrectly the entire time, so sorry.) Thank you for the message and the wonderful tour. 🙂 xxx
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By: Amy on 24/10/2017
at 16:23
Isn’t it?Thank you dearest Amy for appreciating it and also for reading my lyric words … Nature is a Temple,we should respect it and bless her gifts … 🙂 xxx
Btw,there is a long story behind my short name,Doda,you’re not the only one who misspells it lol .. 🙂 My reply to our mutual WP Hien,is here for you to read :
No worries,no wonder,dear Hien!I know,it’s a cacophonous name as linguistically speaking we have to do with the transliteration of the letter “D” repeated,if you see what i mean …
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By: DG MARYOGA on 24/10/2017
at 18:01
I agree so much! I love how you express your love for nature.
So Doda is your correct short name?
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By: Amy on 24/10/2017
at 20:05
Thank you for your feedback dear Amy 🙂
Yes,Doda,a cacophonous name …. 🙂 xxx
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By: DG MARYOGA on 24/10/2017
at 20:51
Interesting…..I enjoyed this introduction to the monument/sculpture “She Lies”
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By: MichaelStephenWills on 24/10/2017
at 16:23
Thank you for your response,happy to know you appreciated my concept.
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By: DG MARYOGA on 24/10/2017
at 17:38
She Lies is an amazing sculpture. Thank you, Doida, for sharing these beautiful photos.
One thought: I hope they have taken measures to prevent anything, ship or even a real iceberg, from colliding with She Lies.
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By: neihtn2012 on 24/10/2017
at 15:46
Thank you for finding it interesting,Hien.Of course they have,it’s all under control,the disaster not only for Oslo but also for the whole world,would be if a real iceberg,due to the Global Warming,ended up in the fjord in front of the Opera House.
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By: DG MARYOGA on 24/10/2017
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